Legislature(2025 - 2026)ADAMS 519

02/04/2025 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:34:01 PM Start
01:35:11 PM HB53 || HB55 || HB56
02:31:02 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 53 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 55 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HOUSE BILL: “AN ACT MAKING SUPPLEMENTAL TELECONFERENCED
APPROPRIATIONS, CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS, AND
OTHER APPROPRIATIONS; MAKING APPROPRIATIONS;
AMENDING APPROPRIATIONS; REPEALING
APPROPRIATIONS; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.”
<Pending Introduction & Referral>
*+ HB 56 APPROP: SUPPLEMENTAL; FUND CAP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Overview: FY25 Governor’s Supplemental Budget by TELECONFERENCED
Lacey Sanders, Director, Office of Management &
Budget
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 4, 2025                                                                                           
                         1:34 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:34:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  called   the  House  Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 1:34 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Calvin Schrage, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jamie Allard                                                                                                     
Representative Jeremy Bynum                                                                                                     
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Nellie Unangiq Jimmie                                                                                            
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Lacey Sanders,  Director, Office  of Management  and Budget;                                                                    
Hannah Lager,  Administrative Services  Director, Department                                                                    
of Commerce, Community, and Economic Development.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Cory  Ortiz,   Director,  Alaska  Vocational  Technical                                                                    
Center, Department  of Labor and Workforce  Development; Dom                                                                    
Pannone,  Administrative  Services Director,  Department  of                                                                    
Transportation  and Public  Facilities;  Cori Mills,  Deputy                                                                    
Attorney General, Department of Law.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: FY 25 GOVERNOR'S SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  53    APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          HB 53 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB  55    APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          HB 55 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB  56    APPROP: SUPPLEMENTAL; FUND CAP                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          HB 56 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: FY 25 GOVERNOR'S SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 53                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;  making   supplemental  appropriations;                                                                    
     making  reappropriations;  making appropriations  under                                                                    
     art.  IX,  sec. 17(c),  Constitution  of  the State  of                                                                    
     Alaska,  from the  constitutional budget  reserve fund;                                                                    
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 55                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 56                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  making  supplemental  appropriations;  making                                                                    
     appropriations to  capitalize funds; and  providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:35:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LACEY SANDERS,  DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND BUDGET,                                                                    
introduced   herself   and   the   PowerPoint   presentation                                                                    
"Overview of the FY2025  Supplemental Budget" dated February                                                                    
4,  2025 (copy  on file).  She explained  that she  would be                                                                    
presenting  an overview  of the  FY  25 supplemental  budget                                                                    
requests  that  had  been  transmitted   on  behalf  of  the                                                                    
governor  the previous  day. She  referenced AS  37.07.0701,                                                                    
which mandated  that supplemental  requests be  submitted to                                                                    
the legislature  for consideration  by the fifteenth  day of                                                                    
session, which in the current  session was February 4, 2025.                                                                    
She had provided an  accompanying spreadsheet [titled FY2025                                                                    
Supplemental  Bill  Summary](copy  on  file)  which  members                                                                    
could  review in  more detail  for specific  items if  there                                                                    
were questions.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders advanced  to slide 2, which  provided an updated                                                                    
version  of  the  FY  25  budget.  The  supplemental  budget                                                                    
incorporated  the   supplemental  requests  that   had  been                                                                    
included in the governor's  budget, released on December 12,                                                                    
2024, as  well as  the requests submitted  for consideration                                                                    
as of the February 4  deadline. She indicated that the total                                                                    
amount  of  supplementals  was  $448  million  under  agency                                                                    
operations, of  which $83.2 million was  from general funds.                                                                    
Under statewide operations, the  total for supplementals was                                                                    
$15.1  million,  of  which $14.3  million  was  unrestricted                                                                    
general funds  (UGF). The supplemental  appropriations under                                                                    
capital totaled $71.5  million and did not  include UGF. The                                                                    
grand  total  for  the   supplemental  requests  was  $543.7                                                                    
million,  with $97.5  million coming  from UGF.  The overall                                                                    
deficit  of $171  million for  FY  25 was  reflected at  the                                                                    
bottom of  the slide,  which was proposed  to be  drawn from                                                                    
the Constitutional Budget Reserve (CBR).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:38:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked  for an estimate of  how much of                                                                    
the current  supplemental request  was one-time  funding, as                                                                    
opposed to items  that would be added to the  FY 26 base for                                                                    
the departments as incremental increases.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  responded that  she did  not have  the specific                                                                    
number in front of her, but  that she would note which items                                                                    
corresponded  with the  governor's FY  26 budget  request as                                                                    
she moved through the presentation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  proceeded  to  slide   3,  which  provided  an                                                                    
overview of the operating  supplemental budget requests. She                                                                    
noted that  the information associated with  the December 12                                                                    
supplemental requests had been  included but she would focus                                                                    
on  the February  4 supplementals.  Under the  Department of                                                                    
Corrections  (DOC),  there  was  a total  request  for  $4.1                                                                    
million for  two items that  were both also included  in the                                                                    
governor's FY  26 budget  request. The  first item  was $3.9                                                                    
million for supervisory standby  pay, which had been omitted                                                                    
from the  previous budget. The  second item was  $195,000 to                                                                    
fully  fund  the   Dillingham  Correctional  Center's  (DCC)                                                                    
operations.  During  the  previous  legislative  session  in                                                                    
2024, the  amount restored  for DCC  was incorrect,  and the                                                                    
request would make the total correct amount available.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders   continued  that  within  the   Department  of                                                                    
Education  and  Early  Development (DEED),  there  were  two                                                                    
items aimed  at addressing the increased  number of students                                                                    
receiving the  Alaska Performance Scholarship (APS)  as well                                                                    
as the  increased dollar values  resulting from  the passage                                                                    
of  HB 148  [relating  to  tax credits  for  the Head  Start                                                                    
Program and  APS] in the  previous legislative  session. She                                                                    
relayed that  the fiscal notes  had estimated the  impact of                                                                    
the legislation, but the  Alaska Commission on Postsecondary                                                                    
Education  (ACPE) had  refined the  numbers based  on actual                                                                    
student experience. The request  would increase both APS and                                                                    
corresponding Alaska Education Grants (AEG).                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:41:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked how  the increase in scholarships                                                                    
would  correlate  with  the draw  on  the  Higher  Education                                                                    
Investment Fund  (HIEF). He acknowledged that  it was likely                                                                    
a  positive development  that more  students were  utilizing                                                                    
the  scholarships, but  he wanted  clarification on  how the                                                                    
increase would affect the draw from the fund.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded  that there was a limit  on the amount                                                                    
that could be drawn from  HIEF. The total would remain under                                                                    
the  statutory limit  and the  allowable draw  would not  be                                                                    
exceeded with  the additional funding  for the  items within                                                                    
DEED.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  understood that  the $4.1  million in                                                                    
funding for  DOC was to correct  an error from the  past and                                                                    
would  also   cover  future  needs.   She  asked   how  many                                                                    
supervisory   positions  were   affected   by  the   funding                                                                    
correction.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders responded  that she  could follow  up with  the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  remarked that she wanted  to know the                                                                    
information because  she thought it  was a high  number that                                                                    
was supplementing  current pay. She commented  that it would                                                                    
be helpful to know if it was only impacting supervisors.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied that she would follow up.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan noted  that the  same question  about                                                                    
the  $4.1 million  in funding  had  been raised  in the  DOC                                                                    
finance  subcommittee.  She  explained that  the  issue  was                                                                    
different  from   overtime  pay  and   involved  supervisory                                                                    
standby pay. There was a  supervisor on every shift at every                                                                    
institution. The  situation was akin  to being on  call, but                                                                    
it applied to  supervisors in the union.  She confirmed that                                                                    
the answer  was that  every shift  at every  institution had                                                                    
someone in  a supervisory  role responsible  for authorizing                                                                    
actions.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:44:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  moved  down  the   list  on  slide  2  to  the                                                                    
Department of Health  (DOH). There was a  request within DOH                                                                    
that dealt  with changes to the  Medicaid projections, which                                                                    
were finalized  on December 15,  2024, after the  release of                                                                    
the  December 12  budget. The  supplemental request  aligned                                                                    
the projected  costs for  DOH with  its actual  expenses and                                                                    
included  $14.2 million  in  UGF to  match  $214 million  in                                                                    
federal receipts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  asked  whether  there  were  additional                                                                    
Medicaid-related supplementals for FY 26.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  responded  that  there  was  not  presently  a                                                                    
corresponding  increase to  the change  within DOH,  but any                                                                    
such  changes  would  be  addressed  through  the  amendment                                                                    
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  continued to  the Department  of Law  (DOL) and                                                                    
highlighted  a   $4  million  request  to   support  ongoing                                                                    
litigation expenses  associated with the A  Better Childhood                                                                    
lawsuit.  She  explained  that over  1.1  million  pages  of                                                                    
discovery had  been produced to date,  and further discovery                                                                    
and depositions would occur in  the coming months leading up                                                                    
to  the trial  scheduled for  May  of 2025.  She noted  that                                                                    
testifiers  were  available  to answer  questions  from  the                                                                    
committee specific to the lawsuit.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson commented  that he  was concerned  about                                                                    
the  sensitivity  of  discussing  ongoing  litigation  in  a                                                                    
public setting and  asked whether some issues  might be more                                                                    
appropriate for  an executive  session. He  acknowledged the                                                                    
difficulty   of  balancing   transparency  with   protecting                                                                    
sensitive legal  information. He wanted to  defend the state                                                                    
but noted that the spreadsheet  provided by Ms. Sanders also                                                                    
listed  a   lawsuit  involving  the  Office   of  Children's                                                                    
Services (OCS),  and he  was unsure if  it was  connected to                                                                    
the A  Better Childhood  lawsuit. He  suggested that  it was                                                                    
important for  the legislature to  understand the  merits of                                                                    
the case.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  responded  that   there  were  concerns  about                                                                    
publicly discussing  ongoing litigation. She  clarified that                                                                    
the two cases were not  connected. The second case involving                                                                    
OCS  was completely  separate and  could be  discussed later                                                                    
under special  appropriations for judgments and  claims. She                                                                    
would  defer to  Assistant Attorney  General Cori  Mills for                                                                    
further details.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:47:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if Ms. Sanders  had intended to                                                                    
skip over the Department  of Labor and Workforce Development                                                                    
(DLWD) section on the slide.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders responded  that she  had not  planned to  cover                                                                    
every single item and that  the presentation was intended to                                                                    
be a summary. She explained  the committee could go over the                                                                    
provided   spreadsheet   after   the   presentation,   which                                                                    
contained  all  the  specific   items  for  discussion.  She                                                                    
clarified that  the $888,000  request for  DLWD was  for the                                                                    
expansion   of  the   industrial  electrical   program.  The                                                                    
expansion would double the size  and capacity of the program                                                                    
at the Alaska Vocational  Technical Education Center (AVTEC)                                                                    
and the  funds would be  used to advertise the  program, set                                                                    
up instructional  materials, and  prepare the  classroom for                                                                    
the instructors to begin teaching.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  understood that the narrative  in the                                                                    
spreadsheet mentioned  that the  program would begin  in the                                                                    
fall of  2025. She  asked why the  entire amount  was funded                                                                    
through a supplemental request.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded  that the funding would  allow for the                                                                    
program to  be set up ahead  of the start date  in the fall.                                                                    
There would also be an increase  in the FY 26 budget for the                                                                    
program, which would  take effect after July 1  of 2025. She                                                                    
suggested that Director Cory Ortiz  provide more context for                                                                    
the funding request.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:50:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  CORY  ORTIZ,   DIRECTOR,  ALASKA  VOCATIONAL  TECHNICAL                                                                    
CENTER, DEPARTMENT  OF LABOR AND WORKFORCE  DEVELOPMENT (via                                                                    
teleconference),  responded that  the request  involved many                                                                    
components,  such  as  programmable  logic  controllers  and                                                                    
physical  lab equipment.  The bulk  of the  $888,000 request                                                                    
was a  one-time cost to  purchase and receive  the necessary                                                                    
equipment for  the program. He  explained that it  took time                                                                    
to  procure the  equipment and  set  it up  properly in  the                                                                    
classroom. The  funds would  be used  to ensure  the program                                                                    
was ready  for its planned  fall 2025 launch.  The equipment                                                                    
was  essential for  the curriculum  and setting  it up  in a                                                                    
meaningful  way for  the lab  space  was time-consuming.  He                                                                    
reiterated that  the funds would ensure  that everything was                                                                    
in place for the fall and  for the second course offering as                                                                    
planned.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  for clarification  whether the                                                                    
$888,000 allocation was a  capital expenditure for materials                                                                    
and  equipment  and whether  it  would  be an  ongoing  cost                                                                    
beyond  FY 26.  She  wanted to  confirm  that the  equipment                                                                    
would  be  in place  for  the  fall  of  2025 and  that  the                                                                    
supplemental funding would expand the program's capacity.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ortiz confirmed  that  the  $888,000 primarily  covered                                                                    
capital   expenditures   for    purchasing   equipment   and                                                                    
materials.  He clarified  that the  expense was  not ongoing                                                                    
and the  equipment would be in  place for the fall  of 2025.                                                                    
There   were  additional   costs   related   to  hiring   an                                                                    
instructor.  He  offered  to   follow  up  with  a  detailed                                                                    
breakdown of the costs.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked about  the anticipated number of                                                                    
students in the expanded program.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ortiz  replied that  the  current  program could  serve                                                                    
about  15 students  per year  and  the supplemental  funding                                                                    
would  allow the  program  to  accommodate approximately  30                                                                    
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:53:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders continued to the  University of Alaska (UA). She                                                                    
explained  that the  Office of  Management and  Budget (OMB)                                                                    
had worked  with the university  to clarify  how non-federal                                                                    
grants  and  receipts  were reflected  in  the  budget.  The                                                                    
university  had  historically   grouped  non-federal  grants                                                                    
under the  designated general fund  (DGF), but  the grouping                                                                    
had   been  revised   for  more   accurate  reporting.   The                                                                    
university   would  also   see   an   increase  in   funding                                                                    
authorization to reflect the  actual non-federal awards that                                                                    
were expected.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders continued to the  changes under the Debt Service                                                                    
category  within  the  Department   of  Revenue  (DOR).  She                                                                    
relayed  that DOR  had refunded  several  old debt  projects                                                                    
which  would result  in a  lower interest  rate and  ongoing                                                                    
savings for the state moving  forward. The next item was the                                                                    
special   appropriations   for    judgments,   claims,   and                                                                    
settlements,   totaling   $2.8   million.  If   there   were                                                                    
additional  items, the  items would  be brought  forward for                                                                    
legislative   consideration.   There   was  a   $3   million                                                                    
appropriation under  fund capitalizations,  which was  a re-                                                                    
appropriation from an unused  capital project for earthquake                                                                    
relief  costs  and  would be  deposited  into  the  Disaster                                                                    
Relief  Fund (DRF).  The  Department  of Transportation  and                                                                    
Public  Facilities (DOT)  no  longer  anticipated using  the                                                                    
funds for  the original earthquake-related expenses  and the                                                                    
money would instead help address the low balance in DRF.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if the  budget total  would change                                                                    
if the funding was transferred into DRF.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  responded in the  negative. She  explained that                                                                    
the  $3  million reappropriation  for  DRF  was part  of  an                                                                    
effort to  increase the  fund balance,  which had  been low.                                                                    
The money  originally came  from an  old project  related to                                                                    
federally  ineligible disaster  relief costs.  She explained                                                                    
that the  reappropriation was necessary because  the project                                                                    
had been categorized in a  way that allowed the unused money                                                                    
to be  transferred without duplicating  spending, as  it had                                                                    
already been accounted for in previous budgets.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:57:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked for  more details on  the source                                                                    
of  the $3  million  reappropriation.  The budget  indicated                                                                    
that  source  was  related to  federally  ineligible  costs,                                                                    
which  implied that  it was  money that  the state  tried to                                                                    
spend   on  items   that  the   federal  government   deemed                                                                    
ineligible. He wondered  how the funds would show  up in the                                                                    
budget's fund codes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  explained that  the original  source of  the $3                                                                    
million  was   UGF  and  it  was   reappropriated  to  avoid                                                                    
duplicating  spending. She  explained  that the  Legislative                                                                    
Finance  Division (LFD)  and OMB  had a  fund code  that was                                                                    
used to track reappropriations. The  funding had been in the                                                                    
system for some  time, and it was  reappropriated to another                                                                    
category to avoid duplicating spending.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  understood   that  the  appropriation                                                                    
began in FY  20. He asked how an  individual could ascertain                                                                    
that the $3 million had been  in existence for the past four                                                                    
budget cycles.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders   replied  that  OMB   tracked  the   funds  by                                                                    
publishing  a  capital  appropriation  status  report  every                                                                    
year. The report was publicly  available and listed all open                                                                    
capital projects  and showed unobligated funds  that had not                                                                    
been set up yet.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked for  confirmation that if he were                                                                    
to pull  up the report on  his computer, the funds  would be                                                                    
listed as unobligated.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:00:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders continued on slide  4. She highlighted a funding                                                                    
request   under  Department   of  Commerce,   Community  and                                                                    
Economic Development (DCCED) for  $65 million for the Alaska                                                                    
Oil and Gas Conservation  Commission (AOGCC), which included                                                                    
a substantial  grant application  to the U.S.  Department of                                                                    
Interior.  The  grant would  help  plug  orphaned wells  and                                                                    
mitigate future  risks and was  expected to bring  in around                                                                    
$40 million.  She added that  AOGCC also expected  a formula                                                                    
grant  to support  similar efforts  that would  total around                                                                    
$25  million.  Within DOT,  there  was  a request  for  $6.5                                                                    
million for  the Alaska Marine Highway  System (AMHS), which                                                                    
would  go toward  annual maintenance  and  repairs for  four                                                                    
vessels.  Some of  the repair  work included  steel repairs,                                                                    
welding repairs,  and engine overhauls.  The reappropriation                                                                    
of $3  million from DOT to  DRF was also illustrated  on the                                                                    
slide.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:02:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  directed attention  to the  FY2025 Supplemental                                                                    
Bill  Summary  spreadsheet  for further  discussion  on  the                                                                    
items. She noted that she had  already covered lines 3 and 4                                                                    
related to DOC and 5 and 6  related to APS, but she was open                                                                    
to addressing  any other questions regarding  the previously                                                                    
covered   items.  She   invited   members   to  review   the                                                                    
spreadsheet  and  ask  any questions  about  page  1  before                                                                    
moving on to the next section.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders continued  to page  2 of  the spreadsheet.  She                                                                    
indicated that  the items  under Medicaid  services included                                                                    
an increase in projections on  line 10, and the expansion of                                                                    
the  industrial electrical  program under  DLWD on  line 11.                                                                    
She highlighted  line 19  regarding the  university's budget                                                                    
adjustments to  reflect the accurate amount  needed for non-                                                                    
federal  grants  and  receipts,  which  had  been  discussed                                                                    
previously.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  if the  northern region  rural                                                                    
airport maintenance contract increase on  line 18 was both a                                                                    
supplemental request and part of  the FY 26 base budget. She                                                                    
what "other amount" referenced.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  responded  that  both lines  16  and  18  were                                                                    
related  to  airport  maintenance contractor  increases  and                                                                    
were  funded  through  airport  receipts  generated  by  the                                                                    
airport  industry.  The  receipts   would  cover  the  costs                                                                    
associated with  the contractual agreements  for maintenance                                                                    
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked how  the state was capturing all                                                                    
commercial  users   of  the  rural   airports,  particularly                                                                    
private  pilots.  She  asked  whether  private  pilots  were                                                                    
charged  for using  the airports  or if  the fees  were only                                                                    
collected from commercial operators with regular contracts.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded  that she would defer  the question to                                                                    
DOT.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:06:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOM  PANNONE, ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES DIRECTOR,  DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF    TRANSPORTATION    AND     PUBLIC    FACILITIES    (via                                                                    
teleconference), confirmed  that the state  often contracted                                                                    
with  local individuals  to maintain  small rural  airports.                                                                    
The funding  for the maintenance  increases came  from rural                                                                    
airport leasing  receipts, and the state  used the available                                                                    
funds across its 235 airports.  The system allowed the state                                                                    
to  redistribute resources  between  airports  as needed  to                                                                    
cover  maintenance costs.  He explained  that rural  airport                                                                    
leasing receipts  came primarily  from leasing space  at the                                                                    
airport to  private citizens or companies,  allowing private                                                                    
citizens   to   keep   their   planes   on   the   property.                                                                    
Additionally,  the  Federal  Aviation  Administration  (FAA)                                                                    
required the  spaces to  be leased at  market rates  and the                                                                    
leasing  receipts contributed  to the  funding of  the rural                                                                    
airport system. He clarified that  the funding would be used                                                                    
as part of  a specific system for the  rural airports, which                                                                    
the state managed as a whole.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  moved  to  page   3  of  the  spreadsheet  and                                                                    
explained that all of the  items through page 5 pertained to                                                                    
the  university  system.  She  noted  that  the  same  issue                                                                    
regarding non-federal grants and  receipts was spread across                                                                    
the entire university system.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked for  more information about line                                                                    
27 on  page 4.  She noted that  there were  discrepancies in                                                                    
the  totals. She  thought that  the amounts  listed for  the                                                                    
research   vessel,   utility    recharge   operations,   new                                                                    
accounting,  and   recharge  activities  added  up   to  $60                                                                    
million, not  $65 million. She  asked how the  additional $5                                                                    
million was allocated.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  responded  that   the  $5  million  difference                                                                    
represented a buffer to ensure  there was sufficient receipt                                                                    
authority to cover any additional  items that might not have                                                                    
been captured.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin understood  that the  buffer provided                                                                    
flexibility.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:09:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders moved to page  5. She had already addressed line                                                                    
37  and 38,  which  were  related to  AOGCC  and the  orphan                                                                    
wells.  She added  that there  were two  IT systems  for the                                                                    
Alaska  Energy Authority  (AEA)  and  the Alaska  Industrial                                                                    
Development Export Authority (AIDEA)  on line 34. Similarly,                                                                    
there was  a request for a  new IT system for  AOGCC on line                                                                    
36.  The  systems  were  part  of  the  accounting  software                                                                    
upgrades  for the  entities. She  also highlighted  line 41,                                                                    
which was related to AMHS's vessel overhaul.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  noted  that  there  were  no  dollar                                                                    
values  listed in  any of  the  categories on  line 30.  She                                                                    
wondered if something was missing.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Sanders  replied   that  line   30  referred   to  the                                                                    
Coronavirus State  and Local  Fiscal Recovery  (CSLR) relief                                                                    
funds  allocated  to  the  state.  She  clarified  that  $10                                                                    
million  had been  allocated to  the court  system, but  the                                                                    
funding had mistakenly  been classified as UGF  when OMB and                                                                    
LFD categorized  the funding. The  correction was  to change                                                                    
the  classification back  to the  appropriate UGF  fund code                                                                    
for tracking purposes.  The line showed zero  dollars in the                                                                    
spreadsheet because it was a technical correction.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  asked  whether the  AIDEA  accounting                                                                    
system  upgrade would  come with  a feature  to prevent  bad                                                                    
investments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  responded that decisions  regarding investments                                                                    
made by the boards were beyond her expertise.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin asked  about  line  36 regarding  the                                                                    
anticipated  software purchase.  She  understood that  there                                                                    
had  already  been  numerous software  purchases  in  recent                                                                    
years. She requested more information  on the reason for the                                                                    
purchase.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  asked Director Hannah Lager  to provide further                                                                    
details.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:12:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH LAGER,  ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES  DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF COMMERCE, COMMUNITY,  AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, responded                                                                    
that there was  an opportunity for AOGCC  to leverage third-                                                                    
party  funds  from  the Groundwater  Protection  Council  to                                                                    
replace  an  outdated system.  The  upgrade  would move  the                                                                    
system   to   the   cloud  and   offer   electronic   filing                                                                    
opportunities.  However,  AOGCC  needed  to  show  it  could                                                                    
participate  in  the  system  to  access  these  funds.  She                                                                    
relayed  that AOGCC  could leverage  $1.7 million  in third-                                                                    
party funds, but it also needed to invest state funds.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  understood that  the $1.7  million in                                                                    
other funds combined with the  $4.277 million in state funds                                                                    
would   total  around   $6  million.   She   asked  if   her                                                                    
understanding was correct.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lager responded  in  the  affirmative. The  third-party                                                                    
funding did  not need  to be  reflected because  the funding                                                                    
would  be spent  on  behalf  of the  state.  The state  fund                                                                    
portion would be collected over  multiple years by AOGCC and                                                                    
the funds  would cover the regulatory  costs associated with                                                                    
AOGCC's activities to minimize the impact on the industry.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  if the  new  equipment  would                                                                    
require additional  IT personnel and whether  there would be                                                                    
further costs for maintenance and updates.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lager  responded  that  additional  IT  staff  was  not                                                                    
anticipated to  be necessary. She  noted that  AOGCC already                                                                    
had IT staff in place  and significant efforts had been made                                                                    
to ensure the  AOGCC had high-speed internet  and was moving                                                                    
towards  cloud-based  activities.  She  clarified  that  the                                                                    
upgrade would complement ongoing efforts.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Schrage  asked how restrictive the  DGF funds were.                                                                    
He wondered if  the funds would lapse into  the general fund                                                                    
if not used for the project.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lager replied  that the  funds were  fairly restrictive                                                                    
and  were  part of  AOGCC's  regulatory  cost charge,  which                                                                    
AOGCC collected through statute  to cover operations. If the                                                                    
funds were not spent, they  would roll forward into the next                                                                    
year, but could only be used for AOGCC's operations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:15:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders moved  on to  page  6 of  the spreadsheet.  She                                                                    
explained that lines  47, 48, and 49 were  related to COVID-                                                                    
19   funding  and   would  extend   the   lapse  dates   for                                                                    
appropriations made to the state.  The extension would allow                                                                    
the  funding to  be  used in  accordance  with the  expanded                                                                    
allowances of federal rules. She  continued that line 50 was                                                                    
$4  million allocated  for ongoing  litigation brought  by A                                                                    
Better Childhood.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  whether there  had  been  any                                                                    
analysis on  the return  on investment  (ROI) for  the funds                                                                    
being spent  on legal  services to defend  the state  in the                                                                    
lawsuit.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders deferred  the  question  to Assistant  Attorney                                                                    
General Cori Mills to provide more context on the case.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:17:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CORI  MILLS, DEPUTY  ATTORNEY  GENERAL,  DEPARTMENT OF  LAW,                                                                    
(via  teleconference), suggested  that she  could provide  a                                                                    
brief  synopsis   of  the  publicly   available  information                                                                    
regarding the  lawsuit. She would also  address the question                                                                    
about the  ROI on  legal expenses.  She relayed  that Alaska                                                                    
was  not  the only  state  facing  such  a lawsuit  and  she                                                                    
estimated that around  half of the states  had been involved                                                                    
in similar cases.  She shared that the  cases were extremely                                                                    
costly,  and  the  state  was required  to  produce  over  a                                                                    
million documents  in discovery and participate  in numerous                                                                    
depositions.  In her  experience, such  litigation was  rare                                                                    
and particularly expensive  due to its nature  as a systemic                                                                    
case, as opposed to standard court cases.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills described the case  as a structural reform case as                                                                    
the plaintiffs sought a complete  overhaul of Alaska's child                                                                    
welfare  system through  the  court  system. The  plaintiffs                                                                    
aimed to have  a court dictate what  actions the legislature                                                                    
and governor would need to  take to reform the system, which                                                                    
made the  case highly complex.  There was a  similar lawsuit                                                                    
in Oregon  where the  state spent  $18 million  on attorneys                                                                    
before  settling  the  case  at  the  brink  of  trial.  The                                                                    
plaintiffs were awarded $10 million in attorney fees.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  noted  that  the  state  was  on  an  aggressive                                                                    
timetable with  trials scheduled  for May  of 2025,  and DOL                                                                    
was  working  hard  to  keep   the  process  on  track.  She                                                                    
emphasized that  the state's goal was  to represent Alaska's                                                                    
interests and maintain legislative  authority over the child                                                                    
welfare  system.   She  addressed   Representative  Galvin's                                                                    
question  about ROI  for legal  services and  explained that                                                                    
DOL   generated   significant    revenue   for   the   state                                                                    
particularly through the collection  of taxes and royalties,                                                                    
as well as consumer  protection efforts, which often brought                                                                    
in hundreds  of millions  of dollars.  She pointed  out that                                                                    
the department  handled approximately 5,000  cases annually,                                                                    
with a  mix of wins,  settlements, and losses.  Overall, the                                                                    
department brought in  more money to the state  than it cost                                                                    
the state to operate.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if there  might be  an opportunity                                                                    
to recoup some of the legal fees.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  responded that the department  was evaluating the                                                                    
possibility. She  explained that  in general, Civil  Rule 82                                                                    
allowed for  the recovery  of legal  fees in  certain cases.                                                                    
However, there were specific rules  regarding what the state                                                                    
could collect in such cases.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  how the  legislature could  learn                                                                    
more about the merits or demerits of the case.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  responded  that  she  would  be  happy  to  meet                                                                    
individually with  legislators or  provide briefings  on the                                                                    
case in  an executive  session. She  indicated that  DOL was                                                                    
planning to set up meetings  with the legislature to provide                                                                    
more detailed information about the case.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:22:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked   if  additional  supplemental                                                                    
funds  might  be  needed  for  the  case.  She  had  read  a                                                                    
narrative  for  the  case  that   referenced  the  need  for                                                                    
"interlocutory  relief  from  the  appellate  court,"  which                                                                    
might require a  supplemental request for funding  in FY 25,                                                                    
even after the  decision in May of 2025. She  asked if there                                                                    
could  be  another  supplemental  next year  for  the  case,                                                                    
depending on the court's decision.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  responded that  the item  had been  proposed in                                                                    
the budget as a  multi-year allocation covering 2025 through                                                                    
2027. She clarified  that the amount requested  for 2025 was                                                                    
not expected to  exceed $4 million, but  the funding request                                                                    
was designed  to provide flexibility  in the  situation that                                                                    
there were delays or issues  extending past May of 2025. She                                                                    
added that DOL would not know  if more money would be needed                                                                    
until after the trial in  May, but the flexibility was built                                                                    
into the current request.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin noted  that  line 51  was related  to                                                                    
another  lawsuit  in  which  the  state  was  involved.  She                                                                    
highlighted that the request was  for $2.7 million and asked                                                                    
for more  information about the  lawsuit. She asked  if this                                                                    
case was  also a  systemic, expensive  lawsuit similar  to A                                                                    
Better Childhood case.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson noted that line  51 referred to the Brett                                                                    
Lane lawsuit. He asked if the two cases were related.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  responded  that  the  Brett  Lane  case  was  an                                                                    
unrelated matter and a complicated  case. She explained that                                                                    
the  lawsuit  stemmed  from  the   resignation  of  a  state                                                                    
employee  from  OCS in  2017  who  later sued  for  wrongful                                                                    
discharge and  retaliatory discharge. The employee  had been                                                                    
assaulted by a  client of OCS, which led  to the resignation                                                                    
and subsequent lawsuit.  The case went through  a jury trial                                                                    
in 2020  and the jury  awarded the  employee a sum,  but the                                                                    
decision  was  appealed to  the  Alaska  Supreme Court.  The                                                                    
court found  that the jury  instructions were  incorrect and                                                                    
that the  amount awarded might  have been  inappropriate, as                                                                    
it  could have  been  double-counting workers'  compensation                                                                    
benefits. The  case was  remanded to the  trial court  for a                                                                    
new trial  on damages. The  original court judgment  was for                                                                    
$2.6  million,   but  it  did   not  account   for  workers'                                                                    
compensation benefits. A global  settlement was reached that                                                                    
settled both the workers' compensation  and the trial claims                                                                    
for  $1.8 million,  and the  remaining amount  was to  cover                                                                    
interest accrued  over time.  She emphasized  that it  was a                                                                    
significant case,  but it  was different  from the  A Better                                                                    
Childhood case in terms of its nature and complexity.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:27:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  moved to  page  7  and  noted that  Ms.  Mills                                                                    
already  addressed  line 51.  She  explained  that lines  52                                                                    
through  57  referred to  the  refunding  process for  state                                                                    
debt. She pointed  out that debts from 2010,  2015, and 2016                                                                    
had been  refinanced at a  lower rate, resulting  in savings                                                                    
for the state.  The details showed decreases  in the amounts                                                                    
for the refunded debts, with  new debt listed under lines 56                                                                    
and  57. She  thought DOR  had made  significant efforts  to                                                                    
save money for the state through the process.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders continued  to page 8 and explained  that line 58                                                                    
was  the  corresponding  fund  capitalization  to  the  debt                                                                    
refunding  on   line  57.  She   noted  that  there   was  a                                                                    
corresponding decrement  on line  62. She relayed  that line                                                                    
61 referenced  an addition to  the budget that  ensured that                                                                    
the capital income fund balance  would not be swept into the                                                                    
CBR  and  had  been appropriated  for  deferred  maintenance                                                                    
needs. Similar  language had been  carried forward  into the                                                                    
current year's supplemental budget.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson understood the  numbers seemed large, but                                                                    
UGF was significantly lower.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB  53  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  55  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  56  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:30:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson reviewed  the agenda  for the  following                                                                    
day's meeting.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:31:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 2:31 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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